Ever dance with the devil by the pale moon light?

Watching Batman (‘89) just because I wanted to refresh my memory and I am half way through it and I figured out I’m not insane. Joker did kill Bruce Wayne’s parents in this adaptation. The deciding factor is the quote by Joker, “Ever dance with the devil by the pail pale moon light?”, just before he shoots Bruce Wayne at [what's her name]’s house. Then Bruce has a flash back and remembers the same quote by a younger Jack/Joker then after revealing his face to the boy Bruce; the grin. As I always remembered (now who’s crazy? Jared Nathan). I know the comic books are different but for few/some who only watched the movies and maybe a little bit of comic book history it’s hard to forget the discrepancies that lies in Batman Begins.

Also at the end of Batman Begins (spoiler?) when Batman was handed a joker card and was told to go after this guy, with a quote of he has a “double homicide”, my speculation is, the double was the Waynes and with the confirmation of the Next BB headlining Joker I strongly think the new movie plot will be keep with the old and still have Joker as the murderer of Bruce’s parents. Not really that big of a deal to me either way but just an observation.

I just hope the next BMB will be great enough, like the first, to not really care what I remember in the last mess/series of films.

I also recommend for the people who just watched BB not to rent ‘89. It is so bad. Even if you remember it being so great.

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  • Bruce Wayne
    RE: Ever Dance with the devil in the pale moon light?
    First off everyone knows in the original Batman movie, The Joker kills bruce's parents (c'mon thats a gimme). Batman Begins has a diferent story, the dude who shot his parents, in this adptation, dies in the same movie after walking out of the courthouse. Remember Bruce wants to kill him and brings along a gun? The joker has nothing to do with Bruce's parents in the new movie(s). You need to watch them both over again, because your facts are all jacked up.
    And remember “what doesn't kill you simply makes you…stranger”
  • Farter
    Tim Burton's Batman Movies kick ass, I recommend you let people make up their own mind.
  • 陳昕昕
    amazing~~~~~~~~~·


    拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉
    卡卡卡卡卡卡

    扭來扭去
    i just love the joker!!
  • 陳昕昕

    did it?
  • 陳昕昕
    只想看看能不能不用英語
  • Linchpyn63
    to you all the 'pale' can be taken in both senses althought the quote uses 'pale' it may intentionally alude to wayne being a pail. in this case the pale moonlight representing death dancing with the devil as in going to hell and that once being shot death would fill wayne up as if he were a pail. ahh the semantics of the english language hope this helps somewhat.
  • Doc
    Da na na na nan ananann BAAAT MAAAAN
    .... POW.....
    ..BAAAM.........
    .....THWACK......

    Holy Submarine, Batman!...
  • Aran
    It's Heath Ledger who will play Joker in the next movie. He's too young to be the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents.

    Otherwise in the movie we saw the true murderer, an annonymous guy. That's a more realistic approach at the story: Bruce is obsessed by a tragedy and his revenge has random objetives, as long as he would never be able to kill the man who ruined his life when he was a child. This man doesn't exist anymore. Being the Joker the true murderer the circle would close. Just killing him Batman should be free, he could focus himself in killing the man and forget anyone else. But he can't be free, this death would never satisfy him.
  • sean
    pale means the shade is out of contrast... for example the moon could of been lighter then other parts, like darking or lighting in spots.. i still do not know why it seems scaring for u to be dancing the pale moon light though, it just seems darker/frightening. eg when you are scared people may say you are looking pale and they are making referance to you skin colour
  • Matt
    Can i just say pale means white...how can you not understand that...?

    whats the confusion with a bucket?
  • Sure, I'll give it a shot, with the understanding that comic book continuity can be a weird and wacky mess, and it only gets worse when you try to reconcile it with the movies that are based (sometimes very loosely) on those comics.

    A thug named Joe Chill is actually the guy that murdered Bruce Wayne's parents. It's always been this way, in the original comics dating back to 1940, and in the more recent film - Batman Begins - which is much more true to the "true" Batman story.

    The Joker being the killer was a concept introduced (for the first time, AFAIK) in the '89 Burton film. While Nicholson's Joker in that movie was certainly great (I actually think he stole the show a bit from the Batman character), there were a whole bunch of changes to the character for the movie that end up not making a whole lot of sense if you try to look at it in comparison to the comics or the latest movie, which is fairly true to them.

    Your best bet to avoid confusion is to think of all the Batman movies prior to Batman Begins as taking place in some alternate reality or universe, in which events unfolded slightly different than the "real" Batman history (which the latest movie pretty much sticks to).

    Actually, if you really want to have a more enjoyable perspective on the Batman movie line, take my advice in the previous paragraph for the original '89 movie (with the Joker), and incompletely iignore all the other ones until Batman Begins, because they were pretty worthless in my opinion.

    So, in summary, any inconsistencies between the '89 film and Batman Begins (like I said, just pretend all the other ones didn't exist), are fairly easy to explain by saying that the '89 film was a loose interpretation of the Batman story, and has no ties whatsoever to Batman Begins.
  • Jadey
    To disastra
    It is you ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight..Listen closely.
    The batman films are confussing.The plot is so messed up.if they were going to make the new one like before batman (89) they should have linked it.Batman (89) was wanted..he was seen as "friend or foe?" Now in batman begins he's wanted again and then at the end links up straight to gordan showing him the card of the joker.Batman had turned napier into the joker so really he should of said " napier is wanted" insted of "joker"
    Really not well thought out.
    Also.In batman (89) Batman forever and batman begins we have bruce wayne in each one having flash backs of the night his parents got shot and each one first napier killed them..The dent killed them..then Jill.Which one is it? Its messed up..Unless there some kind of message in this.I dont know.
    ercch can some one help me on this one?
  • johnny
    moonlights never pale, ur the pail, open up n drink the light!
  • btw your quote is not exact:
    "You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight"
    please note "You" and please note "in" not "by"
  • its pale like palish..
    if someone looks pale he is in a state where his face doesnt show much colors
    in this case it means "not so bright" moonlight - pale
  • Dan
    I don't know it's from Batman.
  • Anthony
    ok this is just really buggin me..ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight...what exactly does tat mean???? get back please
  • Dancing with the devil means you risk making a great sacrifice for something you desire. In this case, being in a situation where Joker's victim is going to die, as he always says it to people he's about to kill. In the pale moonlight is said because he it's always dark when he does it! That's my understanding of it anyway :)
  • Dan
    I just thought it was funny it defined Pale as:
    1. A stake or pointed stick; a picket.
    2. A fence enclosing an area.
    3. The area enclosed by a fence or boundary.
    4.
    1. A region or district lying within an imposed boundary or constituting a separate jurisdiction.
    2. Pale The medieval dominions of the English in Ireland. Used with the.
    5. Heraldry. A wide vertical band in the center of an escutcheon.


    No big deal I know it's pale.
  • Martha
    The second definition is the one.
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