Watching Batman (’89) just because I wanted to refresh my memory and I am half way through it and I figured out I’m not insane. Joker did kill Bruce Wayne’s parents in this adaptation. The deciding factor is the quote by Joker, “Ever dance with the devil by the pail pale moon light?”, just before he shoots Bruce Wayne at [what's her name]’s house. Then Bruce has a flash back and remembers the same quote by a younger Jack/Joker then after revealing his face to the boy Bruce; the grin. As I always remembered (now who’s crazy? Jared Nathan). I know the comic books are different but for few/some who only watched the movies and maybe a little bit of comic book history it’s hard to forget the discrepancies that lies in Batman Begins.
Also at the end of Batman Begins (spoiler?) when Batman was handed a joker card and was told to go after this guy, with a quote of he has a “double homicide”, my speculation is, the double was the Waynes and with the confirmation of the Next BB headlining Joker I strongly think the new movie plot will be keep with the old and still have Joker as the murderer of Bruce’s parents. Not really that big of a deal to me either way but just an observation.
I just hope the next BMB will be great enough, like the first, to not really care what I remember in the last mess/series of films.
I also recommend for the people who just watched BB not to rent ‘89. It is so bad. Even if you remember it being so great.
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I didn’t say that it definitely wasn’t the Joker in the ‘89 movie, just that I didn’t remember it as that - probably because the comics don’t do it that way. So I wouldn’t say Batman Begins contains the discrepancy, but rather the ‘89 one does, since BB is true to the original story (in this regard) and the ‘89 movie contains the discrepancy.
But as for the rest of your speculations regarding the current series:
#1 - As we discussed that night, the double homicide referred to was not Bruce’s parents, since that was at least 20 years prior to that night.
#2 - It already showed the Wayne’s killer in court, and he was shot (and apparently died). While they could say that he somehow was not killed, they won’t, because that guy seemed like a pretty third-string actor, and there is no way they would cast him as the Joker in any upcoming film.
#3 - There is no reason for them to follow any of the ideas laid out in any of the previous movies; and I really hope they don’t. So far, the creative team behind this new series has shown a desire to more closely align with the comic book plotlines (of course there are minor differences), and I hope the continue in that vein.
If you really want that double homicide to be significant, you could hope for it to be the parents of Dick Greyson (the future Robin), although that would be completely out of left field (since they died in a circus accident), not to mention even more lame than the Joker being the Wayne’s killer, but if you’re going for corny…
#2 Convinced me I was wrong. Never even thought about that since they are talking about the casting right now.
I’ll admit I was wrong.
The thing about Robin wouldn’t make any sense because didn’t he have a brother or sister who died too?
#3 i am glad they are just starting over and may be following true to the comic, well I hope they do.
Anyways, I guess my point really was that in the ‘89 film Joker killing Bruce’s parents was a big part of the plot line. And it wasn’t just at that moment during the flash back either, at the end Batman asked the Joker and he replied with somewhat of a yes (”I was a kid when I killed your parents”). But as I think about it, the Joker didn’t know who Batman really was, so how could he know that he killed his parents, the Waynes. Big hole there.
i really hope the next one isn’t called batman begins 2 in any way… also, among the working titles for this one was “batman 5,” so it’s not rooted in as sharp a divorse from the 89 as we’d hoped.
I am apologizing in advance, but I couldn’t stand it anymore. The word is “pale”. A pail is something you fetch water in. So, try “pale moonlight”. Sorry, I had to say it.
oh duh.
It’s not
Pail but is it Pale? I guess.
The second definition is the one.
I just thought it was funny it defined Pale as:
1. A stake or pointed stick; a picket.
2. A fence enclosing an area.
3. The area enclosed by a fence or boundary.
4.
1. A region or district lying within an imposed boundary or constituting a separate jurisdiction.
2. Pale The medieval dominions of the English in Ireland. Used with the.
5. Heraldry. A wide vertical band in the center of an escutcheon.
No big deal I know it’s pale.
ok this is just really buggin me..ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight…what exactly does tat mean???? get back please
I don’t know it’s from Batman.
its pale like palish..
if someone looks pale he is in a state where his face doesnt show much colors
in this case it means “not so bright” moonlight - pale
btw your quote is not exact:
“You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight”
please note “You” and please note “in” not “by”
moonlights never pale, ur the pail, open up n drink the light!
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It is you ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight..Listen closely.
The batman films are confussing.The plot is so messed up.if they were going to make the new one like before batman (89) they should have linked it.Batman (89) was wanted..he was seen as “friend or foe?” Now in batman begins he’s wanted again and then at the end links up straight to gordan showing him the card of the joker.Batman had turned napier into the joker so really he should of said ” napier is wanted” insted of “joker”
Really not well thought out.
Also.In batman (89) Batman forever and batman begins we have bruce wayne in each one having flash backs of the night his parents got shot and each one first napier killed them..The dent killed them..then Jill.Which one is it? Its messed up..Unless there some kind of message in this.I dont know.
ercch can some one help me on this one?
Sure, I’ll give it a shot, with the understanding that comic book continuity can be a weird and wacky mess, and it only gets worse when you try to reconcile it with the movies that are based (sometimes very loosely) on those comics.
A thug named Joe Chill is actually the guy that murdered Bruce Wayne’s parents. It’s always been this way, in the original comics dating back to 1940, and in the more recent film - Batman Begins - which is much more true to the “true” Batman story.
The Joker being the killer was a concept introduced (for the first time, AFAIK) in the ‘89 Burton film. While Nicholson’s Joker in that movie was certainly great (I actually think he stole the show a bit from the Batman character), there were a whole bunch of changes to the character for the movie that end up not making a whole lot of sense if you try to look at it in comparison to the comics or the latest movie, which is fairly true to them.
Your best bet to avoid confusion is to think of all the Batman movies prior to Batman Begins as taking place in some alternate reality or universe, in which events unfolded slightly different than the “real” Batman history (which the latest movie pretty much sticks to).
Actually, if you really want to have a more enjoyable perspective on the Batman movie line, take my advice in the previous paragraph for the original ‘89 movie (with the Joker), and incompletely iignore all the other ones until Batman Begins, because they were pretty worthless in my opinion.
So, in summary, any inconsistencies between the ‘89 film and Batman Begins (like I said, just pretend all the other ones didn’t exist), are fairly easy to explain by saying that the ‘89 film was a loose interpretation of the Batman story, and has no ties whatsoever to Batman Begins.
Can i just say pale means white…how can you not understand that…?
whats the confusion with a bucket?
pale means the shade is out of contrast… for example the moon could of been lighter then other parts, like darking or lighting in spots.. i still do not know why it seems scaring for u to be dancing the pale moon light though, it just seems darker/frightening. eg when you are scared people may say you are looking pale and they are making referance to you skin colour
It’s Heath Ledger who will play Joker in the next movie. He’s too young to be the murderer of Bruce Wayne’s parents.
Otherwise in the movie we saw the true murderer, an annonymous guy. That’s a more realistic approach at the story: Bruce is obsessed by a tragedy and his revenge has random objetives, as long as he would never be able to kill the man who ruined his life when he was a child. This man doesn’t exist anymore. Being the Joker the true murderer the circle would close. Just killing him Batman should be free, he could focus himself in killing the man and forget anyone else. But he can’t be free, this death would never satisfy him.
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to you all the ‘pale’ can be taken in both senses althought the quote uses ‘pale’ it may intentionally alude to wayne being a pail. in this case the pale moonlight representing death dancing with the devil as in going to hell and that once being shot death would fill wayne up as if he were a pail. ahh the semantics of the english language hope this helps somewhat.
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