Digg.com’s problem and page ranking for Search

I really don’t think the Digg model is scalable for millions of users instead of the thousands it has now. Because of the simple fact that the more users you have the more submits you have. Making most of the better stories go unnoticed because it’s buried with all the mediocre submits that are found on the diggall page.

More users only creates more of a Slashdot scenario because the diggs that are on the homepage will inevitably be from more popular users like the tech tv crew, pacino and a few others. Because people eventually won’t/can’t shuffle through the mess that is already taking place in the diggall bin instead they will turn to the “trusted” submitters making those few the publishers of digg.com.

Solution (can’t bring up a problem without a solution now can you?), a digg extension for browsers so you can digg pages no matter where you are. Might sound absurd since I stated the problem with digg is too many submits and this “solution” most likely will result in a dramatic increase of Digg submits, eventually digging the entire web. But the author/publisher is gone and the ranking of pages truly begins creating an “attention trust” for search.

Ranking, something that Digg has is something that search needs desperately. If Yahoo or Google could capitalize this, buying digg in the process, it would revamp search to the point it needs to be.

  • Dan
    Very well put.
  • Dan, thanks for a great post. I agree with you in the essence that Digg should not be targeted toward the masses but it should be aimed at niche groups.

    This is why I said and believe within my blog that Digg (and Del.icio.us) would work best if combined under Yahoo's umbrella and made available for the subscribers under Yahoo! Groups initially and then at the same time to corporations and governmental agencies.

    Otherwise, it exists to serve a niche group of its current subscribers and would be stuck in first gear as a result.
  • cyber sammy
    , i am suggesting two things.

    First, what i am suggesting is already being used by digg - when you submit you must categorise the story, so a viewer can then choose the categories they want to see. Vast numbers of users may mean more categories or sub categories will be required.

    Second, what i am suggesting is also being used, by tailrank.com. - both the submitter and viewer have 'interests' which are simply matched to provide relevant articles.

    (So really, i was saying very little worth while)
  • Anonymous
    You have made a very valid point. But I don't think your solution is viable- unless I haven't understood what you are proposing... So correct me if I am wrong.

    But what you are proposing is more people digging to catch/sort the ever-increasing number of submits. Yes? No?
  • cyber sammy
    I believe the process of submitting a digg could involve also assigning some main keywords. Then viewers could choose which keywords they pull new diggs out of. However, because I would prefer to see the diggs of people involved in my line of work and interest, rather than the diggs of the masses, maybe individual users could be assigned 'interest' keywords. Hence their diggs would appear to me before any others. Then again, maybe digg.com is just too nerdy for the masses and I/you dont have anything to worry about. ...
  • What I like about digg is being able to find obscure sites. If they would merge with a big search engines you'd lose all that.
  • I think that a good solution would be to make each user see only a random sample of the submissions in digall, so that on the whole, every submission is seen almost equally and have a equal chance of being dug if it is deserving since we can safely assume that the audience is random. It is a little like the random giving of moderator points on slashdot.
  • John King
    Learn to write English properly and I might take your viewpoint more seriously.
  • This is basically the problem I'm trying to solve with TailRank. It's sort of a personal Digg if you will but we also index the blogosphere.

    While anyone could tag anything the rankings on TailRank are personal so we taylor results to each individual.

    Kevin
  • John
    I've noticed that popular digg stories will easily get 1000 diggs. In the beginning that was rare now it's so common I barely blink an eye.

    Greater categorization would help sort out the slosh. I still enjoy the variety of information Digg provides. News and articles are still more timely than slashdot.
  • Anonymous
    The answer : del.icio.us
  • collapsibletank
    Your extension proposition is inspired. I certainly hope somebody takes it forward.
  • Dan
    That's true never even thought about that. But some kind of real rating system within a community aspect does create much better search results, even in a limited scope.
  • It may be OK for Digg (although I'm not a big Digg fan) implementing ranking (by any anonymous user) would seriously screw up the search algorithms used by Google and Yahoo. If they ever do try this, it would have to be limited to registered users, and I'd still want the ability / option to have user-submitted rankings not used in evaluating the search results, because I think it's just too easy to collect bad data that way.

    In case you think that most people wouldn't submit funky rankings or totally screw the system up (from some people's perspective), just think of the incredibly lame emails that are chain-forwarded by everyone and their grandma.
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