Mp3 player phones

Originally found in this long list of comments:

Apple will be releasing a phone with motorola soon that will incorporate iTunes within it. For all the iPod/PMP3P user out there that want an mp3 player/phone will most likely go this route. iTunes is still the best music service and if it syncs with it, I can’t see anyone not want to go with this phone. Branding goes a long way with Apple.

Apple has been specualted for releasing their own phone. Something feature rich, but only specualtion.

Why did you bring Microsoft into it? As Jared said they most likely will not go into this type of thing since they are motivated for office use. Windows Mobile is very clucky and not easy to use, as Jared said its Pocket Pc for a phone and the only reason they have sold any is because origianlly those phones were the only phones to sync with their own exchange server. Exchange rulls the corporate world and I would assume that microsoft say the need for cell users to sync there data with thier phone, that is why we see the smart phone, not because people wanted a phone and a PocketPC in one. how could I speculate this? because the ealry smart phones advertised this to the extreme and they didn’t have querty keypads or touch screens to enter data. Although recently this has changed with Microsoft exchange allowing the Treo 650 to sync with the exchange server 2003, I don’t know who or how they got that going but they, I think, are the only phones that sync nativily (out of the box) with exchange.

I will not tell you how popular exchange is or what it even does you will have to look that up. But alsmot every large company uses it, at least of what I have been exposed to.

So, to make it short. Microsoft will not have a simple MP3/phone, never, they do not have the need to do so. 1. They fasion to the business folks not the hipsters 2. They dont have the drive to do so either since they no longer have a music service (that is noticable).

Apple will release a MP3/phone, this year. It will sell to the hipsters and be a good cool gadget that will sell but will not revolutionize shi…crap.

In the next two years there will most likely be three types of phones/devices.
1. Treo/Smart Phone
2. small little phone that does nothing except call and recieve; small like the iPod shuffle
3. The hybrid. A good camera/phone. A good mp3 player/phone. A good handheld gaming device/phone. I do not think anyone will pull off the ultimate phone that does all of this in one, not saying noone will try but it will flop just like every other all in one out there to date.

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  • Dave Z
    Otay,
    it's not a full sync, so it looks like MS is trying to fit everyone into their round hole.
  • There may be some confusion here: Outlook is the client, Exchange is the server application. You may be using Outlook to connect to any other type of POP mail server(non-Exchange), or perhaps it is an Exchange server that is configured to allow POP mail access to the outside, which I'm sure is possible. The insecurity would be if the full Exchange server was made available directly (non-POP access), which you would need in order to do a full sync - calendar, notes, task lists, etc.
  • Dave Z
    Ok, I dont know, right now my company Outlook does get "pushed" to the BB. Not sure what path it is taking or going thru but it is rather quick.
    When I registered the company email address with BB I put in my user name and password.

    Do you think this is creating a security problem?

    If I want to go directly to the company outlook from my ILEC DSL Interenet connected SOHO Win 98 desktop IBM Compatible Intel Chip PC I do use a UI.
  • The difference is the exchange servers doing the "pushing", rather than having an intermediate server do it. With Blackberry (if it's really "push") they would have to have their servers log into your POP accounts, get the stuff, then push it (from their servers) to your Blackberry.

    If you wanted to allow this (the Blackberry "push") for your company's Exchange servers, you would have to open them up for access from the public internet, which isn't generally a good idea (most companies have internal-network-only access to the Exchange servers, and then either a VPN or a web UI for checking mail, etc. outside of the network).

    With the Exchange servers doing the "pushing", you could keep your Exchange server behind the firewall and not accessible to outside internet access, but still get your messages delivered to your PDA.
  • Dave Z
    What is the big deal about this?

    With the Blackberry I have I can now push any POP3(?) account including two Outlook accounts that I have.
  • Dan
    When Microsoft unveiled Windows Mobile 5.0 last month they left out all gooey details about the supposedly BlackBerry-killing push email technology it was going to include. We were all wondering what the deal was (maybe it wasn't ready or something), but earlier today Steve Ballmer put an end to all of the speculation and announced their new Messaging and Security Feature Pack for Windows Mobile 5.0, an upgrade for Exchange 2003 Servers with Service Pack 2 which'll add support for Microsoft's new Windows Mobile Direct Push Technology. They're obviously going straight for RIM's heart with this one, and the new software will let you wirelessly push all Outlook information, including email, calendar, contacts, etc directly to a Windows Mobile-powered handheld without having to install any additional servers.
  • Dan
    that was a joke.
  • I'm mostly just giving you a hard time. I prefer syncing with my PC because there are other things that I sync onto my PDA (like articles downloaded using iSilo, PDF eBooks, MP3s, etc.)

    There will always be much more stuff that syncs with a PC in the middle (rather than direct from the device), simply due to the much easier development of a sync conduit that runs on the PC rather than one that runs just on the device itself. I've done both, and the former is a lot easier to deal with.

    Also, as I think I mentioned before, I wouldn't want my Exchange server to be that available to the public internet, I think that's asking for trouble given MS's track record on security. Is that what you were talking about when you mentioned SSH? If so, that would be wise - SSH into your internal network and access the Exchange server over the tunnel - not sure if the sync software running on the Treo allows that though.
  • Dave Z
    Like I responded on JB's post ----Did you read my post?
    I was saying that MS and the cell will have evolved way past the current Treo 650 of today, in a few years... NOT partner with them.
    See the rest there.
  • Dan
    Microsoft partnering with Treo? No, you have blown your lid. That is like Apple and Microsoft partnering. That's obscene.

    You know Palm makes the Treo right? Actually it's two companies but I won't go there. And Microsoft makes the PocketPC both compete for the market share of PDA's. After saying that Palm is so much like Apple. Making their own PDA's and OS. Oh, well.

    Bill Gates is talking about it? Where did you get this little bit of info? Since MS mostly makes OS's and not devices how did he say he would come into the market? Very interesting, indeed.

    I don't think it is that big of a business as you think. In a couple years everything will change with consumers needs. And I do not see this as being a staple or a necessity for MS to get into.

    I could be wrong though, MS did screw up in the whole web searching arena.


    You cannot trackback your comments only posts.

    Jared: What would I or the other normal exchange users need to do? When we could just "SSH the shit".
  • If you did more creative stuff with your treo, you would find more uses to have a consolidated syncing platform. :)
  • Dan
    That was a really cool trackback. Too bad it looks like a link blog.

    If you are saying companies disable remote syncing through cell service data connection and not all remote syncing, how could exchange distinguish between a computer and a cell data connection?

    Why would you ever want to have a computer in the middle, except for backup, if you didn't need to? I rarely(every 2 months) use a computer, and it's not for syncing it is used to download my images from my treo to my mac.
  • Dave Z
    I responded to your first comment on JB's blog.
    If I had learned how to do trackback I could use it here.
  • I knew what you meant with the syncing thing, but since you mentioned exchange in business use, I was referring to that scenario. Most large companies do not make their exchange servers available enough to the public internet to allow syncing over a cell phone data connection.

    If they did, (which isn't a very good idea), you could still easily write an app that would sync them (without an intermediate computer). I could do this on either Palm OS or Pocket PC, which are the two main OS's that you would be dealing with.

    I also realize that (I think) you said that the Treo was the only one to do it out of the box, but that's probably more due to lack of demand rather than the capability of the device itself. The current sync model that most people are comfortable with is going from the personal mobile device to a personal computer, rather than direct to a server system like exchange, and there are several good reasons for using the computer-in-the-middle model. I can elaborate if you want.
  • Dan
    Yeah, they could, but from the phones that I have seen they don't or won't work because the UI is horable. I don't really know about the iTunes/Motorola phone but I will bet that it will have a perfect UI, Apple is known for this and I don't think they will every discredit themeselves becuase they want to be one of the first. I am not an apple zealot with this at all; I just think they can accomplish something that others have tried.

    There are mp3 phones out there. Just not any good ones.

    The exchange server syncing that I am talking about is through the phone and it's wireless service. A computer is not needed. Every phone or pda that connects to a computer can sync with exchange one way or another. But what I am talking about is just the phone and the server nothing in between except the internet/cell provider with no other service in between.
  • It would be pretty easy for any of the major phone manufacturers to add a flash memory based MP3 player (like the iPod Shuffle) to one of their small/midrange phones, which would probably be the best bet for them. They could probably beat Apple to the punch too, either that or partner with Apple.

    I would say that it would be best to do it on their own, so that they could support WMA in addition to MP3 and whatever other formats. This would allow the user to use iTunes as well as cheaper alternatives like the new Yahoo one ($5 a month unlimited), which uses WMAs.

    Re: Exchange server - the support for a device syncing with a specific data source should be handled at the level of the sync software, so you could theoretically add support for any device to sync with Exchange, since the exchange sync APIs are available for anyone to use. I've written custom Palm OS sync conduits before myself (several years ago), and I can only imagine it's gotten easier since then.
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